If anyone wants those Groove3 tutorials, that doesn’t have access to Groove3 atm, I still have them uploaded to my DropBox. If you want the link, send me a PM. Really good tutorials for BFD3 that covers just about everything in good detail.
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Thanks, Steve! Didn’t know about those.
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Absolutely! If you could pass along that link, I’d be very grateful. Thx!
Please make BFD fully automatable. In particular, the damping and HHt tight features. It would enable so much more realism. 
I’m not certain, but I think those can be automated using the Macro snapshots feature? I’m not sure if Macros show up in DAW plugins as an automate-able parameters.
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Thanks, I’ll check that out.
I’m not at my DAW but isn’t there also a velocity to dampening thing in the tech/mode panel?
Steve
I am very pleased that the plugin offers hundreds of options to control and shape the sound, but it certainly is a plugin with a steep learning curve, and I wouldn’t want it to stop being that way, because that sets it apart from the rest of the competition. However, it’s also true that for the same reason, a significant market share is missed out, which includes beginners or individuals who are more composers than producers, and they want to achieve good results with just a few clicks. I think they should consider creating pre-produced presets that are more functional for this type of user.
But not only that, I believe that while I agree with you that the inconsistency between different libraries gives a unique character to each one and prevents them from being unvarying clones like those from Toontrack (which I think sell more due to their extensive marketing), nevertheless, I would establish certain standards and review the ambient microphone capture. In my opinion, that’s where the issue lies when trying to achieve seamless integration in a mix – something that seems a bit easier with Mixwave, Superior Drummer, SSD, etc.
In summary, I wouldn’t completely abandon the BFD philosophy, but I would try to expand the spectrum in both directions – catering to a simpler audience and a more nerdy one – taking into account the aspects I mentioned that affect everyone equally. Regarding the interface, which is another aspect that’s frequently mentioned, for beginners, I would opt for something more visual like what they’ve done with the version for Alesis. However, it should allow switching between this mode and the current BFD interface, which personally, I love for its vector-based representation of the drum kit. Nevertheless, I would completely overhaul the controls, the mixer, etc. with a more minimalist, modern, clean, and elegant design. This aspect does seem to be stuck in the 2000s. But those are design matters, of course.
Please share the link of Groove3 tutorials! THANKS!
I’m guessing that BFD Player with it’s simplified UI and workflow, is going to be more geared towards composers and producers who are just looking for the finished sound ootb, without having to tweak things. BFD4 will be more for the advanced user who wants to take advantage of really customizing a kit/preset.
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I hope so too, I think BFD Player has been their experiment for this sector, and it will go from being only for Alesis use (which I thought was an excellent alliance) to be the lite version of BFD for everyone, something like the EZdrummer… That’s why I hope BFD4 keeps all the possibilities that its current version offers,
- That they continue to improve in offering modeling and sample control options, such as tom resonance, cymbal swell, tonal variation of the sound,
- Improve the import method to create our own pieces.
- Standardize certain parameters and recording protocols both for themselves and for third party developers, maintaining the character, but reducing the inconsistencies mentioned above.
- Aesthetic and some ergonomic changes in the GUI to give it a more modern, elegant and minimalist look, especially in the controls, the pictures of the pieces, and the distribution of them (the groove editor needs to be renewed).
- And the most important thing, a GOOD AGGRESSIVE marketing campaign. It’s a little sad to see how other drum developers mock certain features that are being added, that BFD had already added years ago, the same is quite scarce material on Youtube, not only by the company but also by many youtubers in the industry who do not even know that the BFD exists, nor is contemplated in comparisons or anything … I do not know why it has fallen into such silence, but I think much of it is in the strategy.
Yes, Drew has already said that BFD Player will eventually be available to everyone and I believe have integration with existing expansions.
I thought the official word was that BFD Player as really for eDrummers.
If it’s supposed to be a simplified version of BFD3 then they killed a far better product in BFD Eco in my opinion.
BFD Eco is way better than BFD Player.
I don’t think anyone using EZdrummer or Addictive Drums or any other competitor is going to be tempted to move over to BFD player, but if they’d updated BFD Eco and added the kind of features that people loved about EZdrummer it could have been easy pickings.
I wouldn’t advise any NON edrummer to buy BFD Player as I just don’t think it’s for them.
Steve
BFD Player is more a simplified version of BFD4, not 3? If it has a groove player built-in and can load presets, then it would be fine for the composer/producer. I think it’s intent is to reel-in new users who don’t yet have a drum sampler, as opposed to those who are already using one?
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It would take too long to find but @exBFD_Drew had definitely said it was made with E-drummers much more in mind.
Whether it’s scaled down version of BFD3 or BFD4 or not, it’s far too scaled down in my opinion.
BFD Eco was perfect for song writers and they killed it and I’m sorry to say I’m really not a fan of BFD Player. If it’s aiming to be a scaled down version of BFD4 then it needs to offer at least as much as EZdrummer and I don’t think it’s close
Steve
All in good time. We’ve got an entire roadmap of features for BFD Player.
BFD Eco was not maintainable, and had pathetically low velocity layer limitations that were a mistake at the time, and I said so, but nooooooooo… nobody listens to me!!
BFD Player is its own thing. You can consider it a particular deployment of the underlying engine. It isn’t a reflection of BFD3 nor BFD4, not really.
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Did you change the BFD Player product page to, Coming late 2023? 
We did actually ship a version in January, to the Alesis customers! But no, the page hasn’t been updated yet. I’m on paternity leave right now. Player will hopefully launch properly when I get back.
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Noice, congrats Drew!! First one? Wishing you and your family all the best.
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Congratulations, Drew!
Kind regards,
Living Room Rocker
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