I can only say -
Use BFD when needed and use Superior when needed. They all have their own strengths and weaknesses.
And at the end of the day that means it’s good to be as individual as one can within this industry of pigeon holing.
Neil
Normally I’d agree, but I just want out of the BFD3 thing at this stage, jumping through hoops to use what I’ve paid for is not my idea of fun. Especially when those hoops are on fire and hanging over a shark pool! 
BFD3 is no longer fun to use and I don’t see inMusic helping in that regard - look at AIR: no updates forever and terrible installers - so much so I’ve deleted those products as I can’t reliably get them to install.
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I have to agree with you - but I’m a stickler for punishment.
I love the program - Though I understand your frustrations. Very costly ones, with no reward in sight.
I hope that changes.
Luckily, I’m just a song writer who uses these things because I can’t afford studio time, and I tend to write stuff that folk don’t seem to like these days.
I can only say - if you run a business and have to use these tools in your work then there is only one option - and that very sadly is out.
Neil
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This is how I feel about every company I spend my money on: who’s to say this “better” company wont go hellspawn soon after I spend money on them, since they can point to other companies’ abusive bullshit and say “this is industry standard”. It’s all BS and I trust no one. Businesses do NOT care about their customers, and certain industries are worse than others. The computer industry is egregious, especially with any company that considers itself an “investor” attractor.
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I have loved the sound of BFD from day one. The way the kit pieces were recorded for the original kits, such as their room and ambient mics, were way more natural-sounding to me than the “individual kit pieces per mixer channel” standard. The tool itself has been sort of clumsy, but allows a lot of customization. I can tolerate some clumsiness. What I cannot tolerate is egregious DRM, the failure to finish developing existing functionality, and doing nothing about bugs. If a feature does not work, the product has not been finished. It should not be SOLD when it is not finished.
It is absolutely intolerable to me how many people excuse bugs in this wretched industry. This industry needs some heavy-handed regulation (and MASSIVE FINES, and even just plain ending some companies and placing their IP into open source public domain as PUNISHMENT for decades of screwing people, from whom this industry has stolen billions of dollars). The tech industry needs to be dragged into some sense of sanity, because what we have now is INSANE.
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dysamoria
Yes - it’s totally out of control.
Then again - so is every tech company that now seems to be running every government and every aspect of our lives, no matter where we are in this greedy world.
I’m not goin’ to get political - I’ve learned over the last 40+ years 99.9% of folk live their lives in the “I’m alright Jack” bubble.
Oooooooooooooooooooops - back on topic.
Windows, or should I say microsoft, are a classic example. When they get to a reasonably stable system they change it, balls it up, force new updates on all it’s customers, and milk them for everythin’ they can get.
I’ve also seen 99.9% of software companies putting out stuff or so called improving stuff that sadly is released before it’s ready and simply doesn’t work in the name of profit - and never mind our customers “we’ve got them by the balls” now they’ve paid us"
Sadly, or goodly, which ever way you look at it. We need the end product to do what we all do best eg,. writin and playin’ music. And they do what they do best and that seems to be just make money and sod the customer.
Rant over.
Still love BFD for all it’s present faults.
Neil
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I just bought BFD3 on December 7. Never again will I buy software with no demo version and / or an explicit, credible return policy.
I own a 43" 4K monitor and a 27" 2560 x 1440 pixel resolution monitor. On both of my monitors, the BFD3 GUI is so small (and it cannot be resized) that it’s completely unusable. The text fields, and even the imagery, are far too small. Ditto for the controls. I’ve noticed already a couple of places where the user interface elements do not fit in their pane, and some undocumented ad hoc scrolling is required. It looks like amateur hour, and behaves accordingly.
Whatever company owns BFD3 now, I suggest its developers take a look at Arturia’s V Collection as an example of a universally usable GUI.
I have emailed Support twice and have yet to receive a reply.
It’s too bad. The samples themselves sound fine.
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Yeah, I sometimes use the Windows magnifier to see the fields. You’re right about Arturia, too.
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Just to clarify, the GUI itself can be resized with those little arrow things in the upper left. The font situation, however, doesn’t improve. Yeah, they seriously need to work on this one.
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SF_Green, thanks for giving me the idea of using macOS “Accessibility Zoom” to toggle-zoom the BFD3 window, so that I can see its contents. (Of course, it’s ridiculous that this may need to be done to use a professional software product.)
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kafka, yes I noticed this, and content not scaled.
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BFD3 was first released in 2013; back then, we didn’t have the tech for proper resizing and rescaling. In the future though…
So, as a very new user of BFD3, here is what I want in BFD4:
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A proper, modern GUI that works at any reasonable display resolution, today and tomorrow. Ideally, the entire GUI (i.e., virtually all of its content) would be created using vector graphics, so that the user could resize the window to any desired size. Cherry Audio’s Memorymode synth is like this. But failing that, a GUI like Arturia’s V Collection, where there are lots of GUI sizes that can be selected by the user.
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A product that does not crash. BFD3 has, in short order, already crashed and taken Studio One Professional down with it… several times. I guess all I can hope for is that BFD3 crashes occur in batches, not as regularly as clockwork. I should be able to open a support ticket with a crash log file, after I have taken a look at it.
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The DAW transport start - stop and its interaction with BFD3’s Grooves / Drum Track is not really user friendly / optimal / simple. I’d like to see this improved.
That’s all that I’ve had the opportunity to notice and comment upon thus far. (1) and (2) are absolutely crucial. That really should go without saying.
I’d also like to experience customer support that responds - all things being equal - in a responsive fashion. I have no previous knowledge of this company and there has been no response, except auto-responder, thus far to the two emails that I sent.
I quite like how BFD3 sounds… I hope this purchase can turn out well.
While I’m on the subject of feedback, is there a company timeline / roadmap for when customers can expect to see the release of BFD4 ?
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I like the UI, it is very clean, a bit like Ableton. The Groove handling need some time but is easy to use.
check these options: 
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VST3 plugin so I can just keep working as VST2 is dropped by Steinberg.
A simpler licensing system which ideally works the same as the new Steinberg licensing changes, ie so can use on 3 machines without refreshing each individually. Ive paid for the product and do not want to be interrogated regards my licence. The system must remember it, because Im getting too old to track dozens of licensing systems with their own idiosyncratic methods. take the pressure off the customers who have paid.
Cheers and good luck.
David
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Fix reliability and quality issues (authorisation, Mac M1…)
the interface :
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allow for easy access to the raw samples (easy all-effects-off switch, plug-in-wide groove off switch…)
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easier access to instrument levels (sometimes it’s hard to find exactly all the mics used for a given instrument to balance them) make a panel with all parameters for a given instrument accessible via an icon
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visual indications of the instruments used in a given slot
In summary : de-clutter the interface, please start by making an easy to use and easy to parameter raw drum-kit machine (because it’s why people buy BFD in the first place)
Then, streamline the effect section
Then the grooves
Then the rest
Audio to Midi converter similar to what Toontrack has in EZBass, so we can import isolated drum tracks.
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There is an all-effects off button in the mixer already, as well as Groove-off button, unless I misunderstood?
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I probably wasn’t clear : I meant clear identifiable tabs with switch on top like
GROOVE 
KIT PRE MIXER POST
I guess it’s possible… but it’s so all over the place that I always spend forever to find anything (like shutting off grooves).
Again, the raw aspect of BFD has always been its selling point, so it should be very straightforward to strip down the VST to the original samples (while letting the features easily accessible for users with different needs)
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I know this is a long shot and probably not a good idea, but how about a mobile app version that can be used to control BFD from a distance away from the pc or mac that it is installed on… 
not entirely sure why I would want to do that lol.
Merry Christmas BFD’rs
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