What do you want in BFD4?

could be the case for one, idk. another was not though, got bit by the “LM state thing” and should be ok now. a 3rd could be Mac issues which I no longer use, so not sure.

the common thread was “authorization” issues for all of them.

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I mentioned previously to bring back mixer presets. I’m assuming that it will save the channel output routing, which is fine. However, routing presets as another option would be useful. Steven Slate has that and it makes routing multi channels to DAW and back to stereo, easy. It saves a file of the channel output routing.

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Hi. Have you explored using the ‘Tech’ and ‘Model’ panes in the kit view to customize the sound? The ‘Tech’ windows lets you set the gain, tuning, bleed and aux mic levels, and the ‘Model’ pane lets you set things like damping, envelope, choke, articulation response, and resonance.

I use them a lot, fantastic for fine tuning the kit pieces and make a massive difference when used for cutting kit pieces even finer through any mix, used in moderation of course.

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I’d much prefer having graphic representation or photos of each drum kit and each piece, dynamically changing when individual swaps are made, both for instant recognition and just general interest.

Aesthetics are bullshit. If we could drag the drums around in the GUI and effect both the direct and overhead/room mixes, that would be cool. I can’t seem to move pieces around so I use the stereo on the direct channel.

What do ,you mean by, ‘move the kit pieces around’?

You can add any kit piece to any slot if that helps, even a hi-hat in a kick slot.

Steve

:roll_eyes:

Moving the kit pieces around to effect the stereo field.

How else apart from panning and flipping from drummer, to audience perspective could you change the stereo field?

You can also change the mic distance for the ambient channels on the tweak tab.

What am I missing? :thinking:

Steve

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I found this but I am not sure it’s related to what you are asking?

Pan (Stereo only)

When the device is used on a stereo channel, the Pan control allows each of the 4 taps can be positioned within the stereo field.

https://www.fxpansion.com/webmanuals/bfd3/operationmanual/index.html?spatial.htm

Been using BFD since near Day 1 of its existence. Nearly 20 years? Time flies. First time on the forum. I’m a working music and media professional and rarely have the time to do this but thought this worthwhile. I’ve had my share of pain as the program has evolved and switched owners multiple times but keep coming back to it. Own and use nearly every competitive alternative and nothing beats the sound. Thanks Drew for your patience and persistence over the years. I went through and added “likes” to features others have mentioned so as to not repeat here. Here are my two biggest improvements that I’d like to see that would help me immensely when I’m under intense deadlines:

1. Ability to double click any and all value sliders or knobs and enter the value manually using keypad/keyboard (volume, panning, send levels, etc.). Purists might say “use your ears” but, as an example, I find it much faster and more precise to change values across groups and instruments by specific amounts using a keypad.
2. A better system for quickly saving changes. When I click “Save Preset”, “Save Kit”, etc. the program should remember the location where it was previously saved. Having it always reset back to my computer’s main drive or my User folder and then having to navigate through sometimes large folder/file trees is beyond tedious.

Sure, other things could be updated but for me these two things would bring a lot of joy. Maybe even included in an update before BFD4? :wink: Thanks for all you do!

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If you’re on macOS, you can sort by date modified when the dialog box pops up. So if you’re working on the same kit/preset, it’s very quick to save/replace the file. It will recall in which folder the preset was last saved and display as the top-most folder.

Here’s possibly another cool idea for BFD4… Maybe add some kick samples with a worn in batter head, as well as new? I was watching Steven Slate talk about sampling the Black album kit and on the kick, he added another kick sample with crinkled batter head to get a slappy kick sound. Might be neat having an option like that to blend kicks in BFD4. Maybe just a kit or two… doesn’t have to be on every stock kit.

Another option could be to come up with a good simulated algorithm with a mix knob to blend it in. Similar to tom resonance, where you can turn it on, or off. But that might not yield similar results.

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Interesting indeed, I’ve compiled a video for this, SSD5 / BFD3 Chocolate Audio Black Album comparison, it’s busy uploading to the tube, I will share when done, in my opinion, SSD5 sounds plastic, it’s good but it’s too processed as SSD always is, which I guess is good for people who know nothing about mixing or tweaking drums, not my cup of paradiddles but each to their own. See what you guys think.

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-no- comparison (jmho)

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What do you want in BFD4?

An extremely deeply-sampled, well-mixed and flexible ‘workhorse’ kit; the like of which we’ve yet to hear and which is appropriate to usher in a new generation. A real statement-of-intent!

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Nice, subjective of course but who could argue against it? :wink:

Steve

Well, the idea of a workhorse kit might be different for different people. I’m imagining a Venn diagram, with this kit straddling Rock, Pop and Funk (i.e tight), with more niche/speciality reserved for expansions.

Back in the day (A day, some decades ago) when I used to play in bands, the drummer(s) only had one kit. Perhaps an extra snare drum and a couple of extra cymbals could be changed out, but the base kit would stay the same. We used to cover tons of genres, and no one even considered having a different kit for each style. Of course, had we been solely a thrash metal or a skiffle outfit, then that kit would have been more specific to the stye in question.

I guess my answer would’ve made more sense if I framed it less about what I wanted and more about what I’d want to avoid. And what I’d want to avoid is the situation with BFD3. To me, trying to provide kits for many different styles á la ‘Jack of all trades…’, (but not quite ‘hitting’ with what’s provided), while adding some really strange decisions for presets, left everything in a huge mess (imo). I’m quite sure that it really lost out to SD, in that regard i.e the out-of-the-box goodness.

Of course, for those of us that appreciate the rawness of BFD drums, it means rolling up our sleeves and putting stuff together ourselves. I guess I’m just kinda over that, these days :wink:

In the interim period between having sold and re-buying BFD, I’ve become heavily reliant on NI Studio Drummer (Also making headway with Handheld Samples’ MAD Funk kits). Really excellent kits. Very well recorded and mixed, with pretty god choices for mixer presets. Was probably set with those, but still ‘wanted’ for that BFD thang.

Anyway…that’s enough rambling.

What I’m thinking is one main kit, sampled with sticks, rods, mallets, brushes and hands. One alternative bass drum, perhaps (Both sampled with various beaters and various dampening/stuffings). From there, I’d love for snare, hats and other cymbals to come with three choices each, going from a rock ‘slam’ down to a tight 70’s dry ‘funk’ (With barely any ring on that funk snare :wink: ).

This is just fantasy, of course. Would be good to get all users happily on the same page with BFD3, first :wink:

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