Request for assistance: Roland TD-6V & BFD3

Greetings, knowledgeable colleagues:

My cry for help involves discontinued legacy gear, so I think the answer to this one may reside deeper in the vaults than most folks go. Nevertheless, here it is:

I’d like to control BFD3 from a Roland V-Drums mesh pad kit that has a (now-ancient) TD-6V brain. We’re talking 5-pin MIDI here – I have that running into a MOTU Micro-Lite which is plugged into my Mac Studio.

The brain seems to be functioning as expected, both in terms of its on-board sounds and its ability to transmit MIDI note data to the Micro-Lite and on into BFD.

I have tweeked a number of settings to map MIDI notes, dial in sensitivity, eliminate latency and crosstalk, and so forth.

Ultimately, it’s wonky – it aint like playing a real set of drums, that’s for sure.

But I’m hoping that I can get the trigger kit to a point where it can at least be helpful within the context of the apartment scenario where I’m using it (a real set of drums just not being in the cards here).

But with all of the adjustments I’ve made, I seem to have hit a snag:

I think that I have realized that the TD-6V hi-hat pedal controller does NOT send a unique MIDI note out that differentiates it (to BFD) from the hi-hat cymbal pad.

When I listen to the TD-6V through its headphone jack I can hear the pedal controlling the on-board hi-hat behavior (the hi-hat sounds like it “opens and closes.”)

But when auditioning the kit connected to BFD3, the hi-hat pedal does not appear to trigger any note other than the cymbal assignment – if I strike the pad I get the assigned 3/4 Shank articulation, and if I press the pedal I hear the same sound.

I sweated that one for a while before then realizing that the hi-hat pedal doesn’t appear to have a controller identity of its own. At least, I couldn’t find one to map – either by pressing the pedal (which should call it out to the TD-6V) or scrolling through the pad list manually on the unit (using Shift-Right Arrow).

The only hi-hat pad choices I can find are for the HH Hit and HH Rim. I tried mapping the “Rim” to BFD’s hi-hat “foot closed” articulation but didn’t appear to have success with that (which alas wasn’t unexpected).

So I have two questions:

  1. Can anyone either confirm the impression that the hi-hat pedal only controls the behavior of the brain’s on-board sounds only, and that this will never work completely – or (more hopefully) refute that impression with advice on how to set this up properly to control BFD’s full hi-hat modeling

and

  1. If it is indeed the case that no, the hi-hat pedal only talks to the TD-6V – then I might have to consider an alternative controller, and I solicit your experiences with any that you have used successfully with a similar configuration.

Thanks, everyone!

I show the TD-6 HH is based on GM Mapping and a Continuous/Variable CC4 (0-90) Hi Hat

DEFAULT MIDI HH
46 - BOW - OPEN
44 - PEDAL
42 - BOW - CLOSED
26 - EDGE - OPEN
22 - EDGE - CLOSED

To check if the Module is transmitting CC4 there is a Realtime MIDI LOG in Keymap Mode/Page.

I created/attached a Consolidated version for a MIDI Keymap with some Notes from Various Locations in the manual.
I’ll also include it and more in your other post with a lot more info…with some repeated from here.
This way there are No Open/Unanswered Posts.

Thank you so much for all of this extremely thoughtful (and helpful!) advice. And I apologize for splitting these questions into 2 separate posts, I see now that that was an inconvenient thing to do so I am going to repeat this reply there also.

  • Successfully dumped settings to Sysex Librarian

  • Successfully performed Factory Reset on TD-6V
    – It’s worth bearing in mind that after 14 or 15 years, the CMOS battery in the TD-6V may not be working any more. So the unit might have already done its own “Factory Reset,” and any customization adjustments I make now or in future would not be retained on power down.

  • That keymap was “key!” Thank you very much for that.

  • Using the factory-reset TD-6V in combination with the Roland keymap generates the desired articulation responses.

  • There are still one or two minor details to resolve, mostly concerning responsiveness of the pads, but they can be addressed.

Warm regards
o-2k