New to BFD3, Kits and presets don't load

So I took advantage of the 50% off sale in a big way and got a lot of expansion packs. For several of the expansion packs, the drums seem to be there, but no kits or presets! No grooves either, though perhaps some packs have no grooves?

Anyway, it seems wrong.

thanks for helping out a newbee,

  • Aaron

Hi Aaron

I’m guessing it’s just the expansion packs that are missing kits/presets and grooves?

You’re right in that some of them come without grooves and presets but I’m pretty sure they all have kits.

Can you list which packs you got and I can tell you whether they have kits and presets and we’ll start from there?

If they are older packs they might still have a BFD2 sub folder so you could try going to the contents tab and hitting the, ‘Add BFD2 paths’ and seeing if any show up there.

BFD3 might need to convert them to BFD3. Personally, once they’re converted I prefer to have them all in my default BFD3 locations and then remove the BFD2 folders.

Steve

Installation paths are weird and and aren’t very well unified across the product range. Some expansions still put their presets etc in the BFD2 path. Some put them in BFD3. Some ends up installed with the expansion pack. Some of them, IIRC, put them in the User directory. And some split them into more than one of these, and in the case of BFD2/3 presets and kits, even duplicate them into more than one location and format. And, they’re not uniform in which extra content they offer. Some don’t have presets or kits. Some have grooves, and others don’t.

But here’s the rub - if you have two versions of the same preset, i.e. a BFD2 preset and a BFD3 preset, that can sometimes interfere with loading of one or both of them.

The solution is generally pretty simple, although it can be tedious. Either put the content in one place where you can find it, or add the paths where the content is to your content locations. If you have duplicates, just delete them. There’s a button called “Add BFD2 Paths” or something like that. That will refer to the old BFD2 path, and will find a lot of the material that never got proper BFD3 presets. Other times, you just have to hunt around and see if you can find it. Most seem to put this stuff in the main system BFD3 path.

It’s chaos, and frankly, BFD really should jump on getting this right, because I think they get a lot of support complaints specifically because of this, and ultimately it’s easy to solve. If they just put all that extra preset stuff with the audio content for the expansion pack, which is what I do manually, nobody would ever have a problem.

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I have all the BFD3 expansions and some of the more popular 3rd party ones. It is true - the expansions have varying components. There are some that just have drums and not even a full kit let alone kits or presents or grooves.

I have the start of a list of what included. I made this as part of my troubleshooting to ensure everything I had was being recognized in BFD3. I could put some work into cleaning it up and making more generally usable. It has the list of products and then an X under the various components. Not sure if that would be useful to people?

I think there’s a good argument for having 2 preset folder locations, one should be the default, (C:\ProgramData\BFD Drums\BFD3\System) (on windows) and the other should be in, ‘MY Documents’.
Any presets that I have created myself should be in MY Documents.

It’s not just the folder locations that need tightening up but the naming of presets in the library.
Under the Library BFD3 creates a sub group called ‘User Presets’ and any presets created by me get put in there. That was fine but back in the day I used to download lots of presets that people had uploaded on the forum and have them filed under User Presets but also have another category called, MY Presets.

It should be really simple to edit the library category menus without having to go though each XML file and edit them that way but it wasn’t until the brilliant BFD3 Metadata Editor was created by a user that I was able to do this.
With it I can name groups of presets so they show up in the library how I want them to, this goes for kits too but more for presets.

I had suggested a couple of times that BFD incorporate the BFD Metadata editor into BFD3 like the FLAC tool or have it as a separate utility and @BFD_Drew has said that they are hoping to have a major overhaul of the presets and folder locations either for BFD3 or BFD4 and the aim is to have no need of the BFD Metadata Editor.

If BFD3/4 allows me to name my presets into groups and sub groups the way the metadata editor does I’ll be happy. I’ll be even happier if those groups and sub groups don’t all revert back to the mess they were after a content scan which is what happens a lot right now.

I’ll probably keep the metadata unless it just doesn’t work with BFD4.

Steve

PS. I started this message by saying there’s a good argument for having 2 preset folder locations, I can’t for the life of me remember what that, ‘good’ reason was but I think it was something to do with systems going down and having to reformat drives but maybe not. :thinking:

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So I found some BFD application libraries in /libraries (I’m on a Mac; Mojave) and added them to my Content Locations. That seemed to work, although now I have duplicates of certain kits. But at least the missing ones are there.

Now, however, when I try to load presets they either don’t load or BFD3 crashes/quits. So I basically can’t access presets.

Perhaps this is the subject for a new post…

No, it’s part of the issue. I’m convinced that duplicates cause problems other than having two. Delete the duplicates, or move them to a directory that won’t be scanned. But, get rid of any that could be scanned twice - in particular if they’re BFD2 duplicates of BFD3 presets that are also in your path.

“Delete the Duplicates” … How? I don’t see anyway to delete them, only to hide them.

thanks!

– Aaron

They’re just files. You just use your file explorer and delete them, or you do it on the command line.

Okay may have solved this as well… I removed the BFD2 Application Support paths from the Content Locations. This has definitely removed the duplicates, hopefully it hasn’t removed anything I need.

I just got all the packs, and they all listed “BFD3” as the only installation option. Not sure why there would even be a BFD2 folder…

It’s one of those weirdisms that BFD accumulated over the years, given the different versions and vendors. They had to support more than one version, so, sometimes an expansion installs two sets of presets. You could also just move those files over to another location for backup purposes and re-enable the BFD2 paths. I don’t like to use the system paths for anything but the core content.