I wanted to know if you had any tips on programming the cymbal swells ?
I’m not sure about what I’m doing. Seems like I have too much swelling and when I hit the same crash two times it loses too much attack.
Any presets to advice ? I think I’m using “short swells” between 75-80% on the mix tweak.
Do you advice to use it on the ride, too ?
I remember that using the ride presets I lost lot of velocity layers…
Thanks a lot, people !
Eh, it’s a tweak by ear situation for me.
I can be using it in all cymbals of the kit at once, or not at all. It all depends on the material.
I start from the most relevant preset. E.g. Ride for rides, splash for splashes, etc… I tweak the swell knob, weight, and then evaluate. If I get too much wash I dial it back a bit. If I can’t get what I’m after, I swap presets and try again. Most of the times I find it useful to settle on the sound early on, as it’s easier to adapt to a sound and then play/program accordingly than trying to dial in a sound to an already convincing performance.
Well, that’s what I’m doing at least. It would be interesting to hear how others do it!
Thanks for the answer.
You said you used the ride presets so I check. Seems that the “Subtle ride” is okay but the “washy ride” cuts the velocity layers and almost every hit is hard. But I guess that’s the purpose…
Do you use any swell on the hi-hat ? I’m curious about that !
Well, that’s why I will also tweak the weight parameter in the groove for the ride, or trim the articulation gain. If a ride becomes too easy to “load”, it’s probably played too hard.
Again, this hugely depends on the kit piece. Some rides are washy by themselves and I need to damp them. Others are very dry, so this swell modelling might give them some tail. Another factor is sticks or mallets? Again that’s a completely different setup.
I can’t say I’m using any. I would consider it under special circumstances (i.e. a roll on the high hat with mallets for some reason if the “swell: off” version didn’t sit well with me.
The thing is, it’s tough to do subtle changes with just the swell knobs alone. I have to modify the hits as well, add or subtract weight, add or subtract hits. (even just to keep feeding energy to the cymbal/or letting it lose energy)